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Some updates on the 40 foot fleet: 77 Inveros (mostly from the 42xx-43xx series, with some 44xx-45xx mixed in as well) have been retired so far with five more to go. Will post retirement list lat

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Of a fleet originally around 170, to be potentially down to 30 some left in service is amazing. I never had a problem with those buses. I found them comfortable, spacious and overall a nicer experience than the Inveros. (Quieter).

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On 2020-06-26 at 8:30 PM, Shane said:

Of a fleet originally around 170, to be potentially down to 30 some left in service is amazing. I never had a problem with those buses. I found them comfortable, spacious and overall a nicer experience than the Inveros. (Quieter).

I'm surprised it's down to a small handful this quickly. The Orion era is coming to an end. I still maintain that OC probably should have gone with ISL engines and Allison transmissions... I'll miss them.

By the way, for anyone looking for an update on the Inveros, there were 13 more of them retired this year, in March specifically. All credit goes to user Enviro_1203 on the CPTDB forum.

To recap, here's the number of Inveros retired from each batch (this comes from the CPTDB wiki):

4201-4202: only 4202 is active

4203-4273: 4204-4207, 4209, 4211-4216, 4219, 4220, 4223-4225, 4228, 4230-4235, 4237, 4239, 4240, 4243-4246, 4249-4255, 4261, 4263, 4267-4269, 4271

4274-4309: 4276, 4278, 4280, 4285-4287, 4289-4290, 4294, 4300, 4303, 4305, 4307-4309

4310-4439: 4310, 4315-4319, 4325-4328, 4331, 4337-4339, 4344, 4346, 4349, 4352-4354, 4356, 4360, 4363-4365, 4367-4369, 4371, 4373, 4375-4379, 4381, 4382, 4385, 4385, 4388-4390, 4394, 4395, 4414, 4417, 4431, 4434, 4439

4440-4526: 4446, 4450, 4464-4468, 4473, 4475, 4484, 4485, 4488, 4491, 4492, 4494, 4498, 4505, 4512, 4513, 4515, 4517, 4519, 4520, 4522

 

 

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22 hours ago, OC Transpo/STO Fan said:

I'm surprised it's down to a small handful this quickly. The Orion era is coming to an end. I still maintain that OC probably should have gone with ISL engines and Allison transmissions... I'll miss them.

By the way, for anyone looking for an update on the Inveros, there were 13 more of them retired this year, in March specifically. All credit goes to user Enviro_1203 on the CPTDB forum.

To recap, here's the number of Inveros retired from each batch (this comes from the CPTDB wiki):

4201-4202: only 4202 is active

4203-4273: 4204-4207, 4209, 4211-4216, 4219, 4220, 4223-4225, 4228, 4230-4235, 4237, 4239, 4240, 4243-4246, 4249-4255, 4261, 4263, 4267-4269, 4271

4274-4309: 4276, 4278, 4280, 4285-4287, 4289-4290, 4294, 4300, 4303, 4305, 4307-4309

4310-4439: 4310, 4315-4319, 4325-4328, 4331, 4337-4339, 4344, 4346, 4349, 4352-4354, 4356, 4360, 4363-4365, 4367-4369, 4371, 4373, 4375-4379, 4381, 4382, 4385, 4385, 4388-4390, 4394, 4395, 4414, 4417, 4431, 4434, 4439

4440-4526: 4446, 4450, 4464-4468, 4473, 4475, 4484, 4485, 4488, 4491, 4492, 4494, 4498, 4505, 4512, 4513, 4515, 4517, 4519, 4520, 4522

 

 

4217, 4283, 4453 & 4482 were also retired in May 

4218, 4227, 4238, 4256, 4277, 4296, 4302, 4311, 4321, 4334, 4357, 4372, 4374, 4387, 4399, 4402, 4413, 4415, 4418, 4427, 4448, 4454, 4458, 4462, 4470 & 4508 are parked and stored UFN

Credit also goes to Enviro_1203.

 

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Any guess how many more years the Inveros will be with us in the fleet? Seeing the above post that 4202 is still in service... it is clearly the oldest bus in the active fleet.

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8 hours ago, Shane said:

Any guess how many more years the Inveros will be with us in the fleet? Seeing the above post that 4202 is still in service... it is clearly the oldest bus in the active fleet.

I suspect that the rebuilt Inveros (which 4202 is not by the way) will last a few more years, possibly at least three (so 2023 or around that range). As for unrebuilt Inveros, I think they'll continue to retire small batches at a time when new buses come in (they haven't been doing much of that since March). I suspect that the entirety of those will be pulled off by late 2021.

We have 133 left unrebuilt (and 62 rebuilt units), so if we get another batch of LFSs in the future (it hasn't been talked about yet), then most if not all (excluding rebuilds) will likely retire at that point.

Correction about my above post: Nine Inveros were retired in March and four were retired in May. 

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On 2020-06-26 at 8:30 PM, Shane said:

Of a fleet originally around 170, to be potentially down to 30 some left in service is amazing. I never had a problem with those buses. I found them comfortable, spacious and overall a nicer experience than the Inveros. (Quieter).

Some bad news. ALL remaining hybrids as of August 1 are now parked and won't see service again. This comes from user Enviro_1203 on the CPTDB forum. It is my understanding that they will be transferred to St. Laurent from Merivale and Pinecrest garages for retirement.

This marks the end of the Orion era, folks. I'll really miss these buses. Had they been diesel, they would have lasted longer. I recall seeing my very first one in early 2009 and being intrigued as to what that bus was because it was brand new at the time.

 

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